Strange Bedfellows – Defending Milo

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Robert Stark, Pilleater and I discussed the recent Milo controversy on The Stark Truth. The episode is available, here.

I hate having to write an article like this. I’ve never really been a fan of Milo (and have written so quite clearly in the past.) People who prioritize or spend a lot of time obsessed with political issues relating to what depraved activities they can or can’t do sexually, have always kind of annoyed me. Really, of all the problems in our society that could require attention, that’s what you chose to devote your activism to? Your dick?

Anyway, I’m just going to go ahead and say it…

Milo never defended “pedophilia.” It’s ridiculous to suggest that he did. In the video interview in question, he’s discussing teenagers. Pedophilia applies only to prepubescent children. Whether or not someone is legally a “minor” in a particular has nothing to do with these classifications. Age of consent and what constitutes a minor vary widely among different countries. In any case, debating the subject of attraction and consent relating to post pubescent or sexually developed minors cannot be construed in any way as being the same thing as “advocating pedophilia” (which would involve a conversation about pre-pubescent minors.) That a great many people are too dumb or ignorant to comprehend such distinctions, shouldn’t be Milo’s problem.

Now, to those who would accuse me of  just “splitting hairs” or claim that I’m talking about a distinction without a difference, I can only say that words mean things. Definitions matter. Categorizing ideas accurately is a critical component of civilized discussion. I can already hear people saying “Whatever. It’s all degeneracy! You sound like pedo apologist! Blah Blah Blah.”

Well, think about this…these same individuals are the ones who often complain that people mischaracterize them as Nazis, white supremacists, when they are merely white nationalists, race realists or in some cases even civic nationalists. “Whatever you’re all nazis! Trump supporters are all nazis. Bannon is a white supremacist! If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..!”
Of course, we all know a civic nationalist is not the same thing as a white nationalist, and a white nationalist is not necessarily a white supremacist or even a biological race realist for that matter. When you claim that Milo was “defending pedophilia,” it is as ignorant and absurd as when the media labels some basic bitch republican like Paul Ryan a white supremacist. It just isn’t true. I don’t want to hear these people complaining next time they get categorized as Nazi KKK members just for advocating for a moratorium on immigration from the third world. “Like what do you mean, dude? Don’t you see how ridiculous and autistic you seem by insisting that people accurately characterize your views? What’s that? You say you’re not a white supremacist or neo Nazi? You’re just an ‘ethnonationalist?’ Haha, as if that makes your opinions any less disgusting, you Nazi apologist.”

Part of what has always attracted me to dissident politics was the willingness to honestly explore any topic relating to biology, human nature, or psychology, no matter how socially taboo. When some AltRight person says “I don’t know how anyone could defend Milo or his remarks at this point. The things he said were simply indefensible,” I have to wonder where their self awareness is. Do they not realize that the average person thinks their views and statements on race realism are just as indefensible (if not more) than Milo’s expressed opinions on age of consent? Indeed they don’t. Didn’t people say the AltRight could no longer be defended after the NPI “Roman salute” controversy? Look, if someone holds what you deem to be a disturbing opinion that runs contrary to your values, the solution is simple. You can disagree with them and state your case.

I suspect though that there are other things in play here. Milo has made a great deal of enemies and often talks a lot of shit. Therefore, people see it as an opportunity to settle old personal scores, and they salivate at the prospect of finally skewering him and getting revenge. This may be a good short term strategy, but I don’t see it playing out well long term. Anyone that unfairly has their lives ruined by the media for simply stating “weird” opinions, requires defense whether we like them or not. Though I admit Milo is easily unlikable, and I was never much of a fan of his obnoxious shtick or faux edginess, I relate to him slightly more now that he’s become genuinely ostracized and alienated like the rest of us.

Milo Inc. – Not One of Ours Either

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I’ve noticed people trying to disassociate Milo Yiannopoulos and some of these other libertarians from the alternative right, by branding them as part of the alternative left. 

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Not so fast. While we may be a tad more degenerate than the radical traditionalist factions of AltRight, we sure are not libertarian capitalists (barf.) Milo and Co are not part of our little AltLeft netherworld either. Here are some simple and straightforward reasons why he’s not one of us:

  1. He is a libertarian capitalist. Milo loves capitalism and the free market and always talks about it. He’s the kind of republican who will make claims like “Democrats ruined Detroit.”  He’s the type who will brag about Silicon Valley companies as if they are still part of the US in any real sense…rather than just international entities that act in their own interests, which may or may not correlate with the interests of the country at a given time. The Alternative Left (to the extent it’s even a real thing) leans toward Scandinavian socialism, communism,  state capitalism, public works, social credit, etc….all things Milo would disapprove of.
  2. He’s not a race realist. Milo rejects identity politics altogether, in the tradition of republicans who like to parrot Martin Luther King cliches about “color of skin” and “content of character.” The alternative left believes race is real (for practical purposes at least,) and race matters. There is some disagreement about how to deal with that reality, which I have discussed elsewhere. Some of us just openly promote a white-left futurism and others prefer to focus strictly on class struggle issues with the belief that this will minimize ethnic conflict over time. Others are national bolshevik types. Milo doesn’t fall into any of these camps. He’s just a flamboyant republican who thinks “dems are the real racists.”
  3. He supports importing foreign tech workers as well as many of the other items on the globocorp agenda to sell us out. He loves immigration and at the most maybe just wants to cut it down a bit.
  4. From what I can tell, he supports neoconservative foreign policy or some milder version of it, along with American exceptionalism and all that jazz. He’s Jewish and makes clear where his tribal loyalties are. I’m pretty sure we can leave it at that.

The only areas where there is any overlap is that he’s “anti-pc” and socially liberal as far as sexual depravity. Well, big deal. Almost everyone opposes the type of low hanging fruit loop, blue haired, fat acceptance, Tumblr feminists and diaper wearing furry activists that he targets. Milo simply is what he is, a libertarian-republican free speech advocate of the Breitbart variety, with an aggressively marketed, highly successful personal brand. Milo has put himself out there and has done some good things in pushing back against speech police on college campuses, but he’s not “AltLeft” or AltRight. Glad we cleared that up.

Postcards From Xenophobia – Black Pill Summer

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I think Anatoly Karlin was right that social media takes away from productivity. Yet, at the same time, it’s only through these sites that I’ve been able to network and build a brand. There’s not much you can do with a brand like that though once you get it, if you are using various pseudonyms etc. In general though I think one of the things I’ve grown to dislike about Twitter is the way it exposes you to so many reasons to be pessimistic. I will list a few of realizations that make it a drag, this coming from someone who has made probably 40,000 tweets in the past 2 years….

  • You end up debating the same things over and over, both with the same people and a constant stream of new individuals fresh off the normie boat.
  • Most people don’t even understand the basics of “AltRight” thought or any similar ideas(AltLeft, etc) or movements. They come into these movements misinformed about core beliefs(usually being misled by some article,) not even grasping they terminology or lingo they start throwing around. It’s amazing to me how many people don’t know how to use simple insults like cuckservative properly(hint: Jews aren’t cucks) or understand the purpose of the (((echoes.))) That’s trivial of course, but also people don’t even know the origins of these movements or who the major figures are. There are people who claim to be AltRight that have no idea who Richard Spencer is and think this stuff originated with Milo or Roosh. I’ve seen people with AltRight in their usernames sporting Reagan avatars unironically.
  • There is constant misrepresentation of these ideologies by new people who are well intentioned but do more harm then good, because they accept the establishment’s framing of issues.(ie. “dems are the real racists,” “identity politics is bad,” “culture matters way more than race,” “democrats ruined detroit,” “fascism is inherently bad” etc)
  • Many people are oblivious to the JQ, even if they’ve been around a while. I could probably write an entire ebook on this, but why bother? I can somewhat understand people not getting it at first, because I was one of those annoying people just a couple of years ago that would be in Ramzpaul’s youtube comments being like “yeah the jews are fine. What’s the problem?” However, once you finally understand it you can’t “unsee” it, and it’s difficult to have patience in discussing it with people clueless about the premise you’re operating from(ie the reasons why racially aware white people view Jews with suspicion and the basis for it.) I’m not going to use this post to educate you on it. I’ll take a page from SJWs and tell you to “go read a book.” You don’t have to agree with it, but you’ll have an idea of what people are talking about.
  • Despite the media’s attempts to characterize the Trump  as some kind of white supremacist, xenophobic, neofascist, the Trump movement is far from that, and only vaguely civic nationalist. While there is a percentage of racially aware identitarians who support Trump, the vast majority of Trump supporters are just ordinary tea party republicans that are just abstractly against “the establishment” and hate the media. They might want to limit illegal immigration slightly and bring back jobs from China, but for the most part they sign onto the normal Reagan conservatism agenda(often even trying to claim Trump is the next Reagan as if that would be a desirable thing) They still watch FoxNews, and want to get tough on Iran, go bomb ISIS and so on.
  • I support Trump mostly for the fact that he’s the only candidate who seems to reject white guilt and the only politician running who supports preserving even the concept of the nation state. At least with Trump there is a chance the US might conduct policies in it’s own interest. None of the other candidates are even entertaining the idea. That being said, his choosing Pence was troubling because Pence represents the opposite of everything that is good about Trump.  Also, Trump’s pandering to the establishment republicans and the Cruzcucks has not been effective. They’re attacking him even more now and are “disavowing” him like there’s no tomorrow. Meanwhile, his attempts to pander to these people who hate him has cost him a chance at attracting Bernie supporters who are disenchanted with Hillary and might be receptive to Trump’s socially liberal instincts and anti big business rhetoric. Unfortunately, instead of going after the college and student loan racket, Trump is proposing massive tax cuts which no one that Trump needs to appeal to wants of needs. He could have said “We’re going to cut the defense budget, close down bases overseas and use the money to reform/credit student loans….but  he didn’t.
  • Finally, in the AltRight and various other edgelord sects, tons of people hate each other. There is constant drama between various individuals and factions. Often people get doxed and face the worst attacks not from SJWs but from people supposedly on their side or loosely allied. Tons of people are complete assholes and you wonder if we ever won anything whether you’d even want most of them as neighbors.
  • For people supposedly being “red pilled” or having science and logic on their side, in these movements I’ve seen some of the nuttiest conspiracy theories embraced, including “flat earth,” “symbols on money predicting attacks,” “moon landing was fake,” and “every shooting is a false flag.” I’ve even discovered people who claim that AIDS isn’t caused by HIV and is a result of poor diet, recreational drugs and health habits(sometimes with even the HIV medications  *causing* the disease symptoms.) Uh huh.
  • Out of probably 5000 thought criminals or “edgelord” accounts I’ve interacted with over the last couple of years, there are maybe about 30 or 40 that I consider to be reasonably on the same page, (not even necessarily ideologically in complete agreement,) just likable and with a similar outlook.  Whenever I find these types it is like a miracle and these often anonymous few have no idea how much their presence makes these activities bearable and worthwhile for me.

I could go on, but I suppose that is enough for now.